![]() i’m not saying you’re wrong for disliking grace or any other character, i’m saying in the one instance above that you got the receipts you asked for and willfully tossed them aside. does it have to be the majority of the sub for me to point that out? no. i, however, have noticed a trend in this sub that black characters, specifically black women, are treated worse than their white counterparts. ![]() i agree that you probably are not racist solely for disliking grace. Let me make this very clear: i agree that not everyone is racist who dislikes grace. THAT is why i’m defending grace and not ivy. however, a lot of the hate ivy gets comes from her malicious actions whereas a lot of the dislike toward grace i’ve seen seems to be more rooted in wanting ozzy, aka having nothing to do with grace’s actions OR calling her possessive and jealous because she, gasp, already likes the guy she’s coupled with, even though she fully allows you to have conversations with him. if it was calling ivy out for doing something she didn’t do then i would defend her. ‘my hypocrisy is showing’ so suddenly now I’M racist? if this post was about ivy maybe i’d be defending her. i’ll be the first to admit i’m not a psychologist, but ‘strawman fallacy’ comes to mind. But I'm just saying your hypocrisy is showingĪight i know what i said about letting you just be upset by yourself, but i simply can’t believe this is real. I think I hate her more than any other character. Why aren't you coming to her defense then? Why is it Grace needs defense for ONE post that doesn't like her, but not ivy who has dozens. They do have a problem with ivy however, she's one of the most hated characters right now with hundreds of posts. This sub as a whole clearly does not have a problem with grace. I think it's very convenient that was 'once mostly negative' but isn't anymore. There is ONE post that hates grace and no one agrees with it. This post is calling out people for hating grace. I'm tired of people being shamed because they don't have the correct opinions. You can hate whatever character you want, and love whatever character you want. And at the end of the day, people are entitled to opinions. I want people to stop being called racist for not liking a character. I do not want to be outraged, but many people in this sub do. However there is another post like this one complaining about people hating grace but is far more aggressive and calling everyone racist for disliking her. ![]() I'll give you credit that I yes I did bring up racism first, and I can admit I do apologize for that. if you want to have a legitimate conversation about racism and specifically misogynoir in the fandom then i’m more than willing to take the time to, but for now i’m finna let you stay upset because it seems like you want to be right, not educated. when you were given receipts you decided to change the conversation so you can continue to be upset. Let’s be honest, you want to be outraged. i’ve literally not seen one negative comment about grace.’ you were linked to a negative post about grace that was once mostly negative comments, then you switch to suddenly having asked for proof of racism? just admit you were wrong and move on, these are two completely different arguments. Your original comment was, and i quote ‘i’m gonna need some receipts. where in this post does op state that this sub is racist because of grace getting negative attention? when they rightfully pointed out she’s getting more hate than ivy for doing comparatively less while giving no mention to race? when did any of us replying to your comment as of 11:30 am pst on june first, 2023 bring up racism until YOU did? That’s not what we’re talking about love. ![]()
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